tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post2926980649816773210..comments2023-05-26T07:21:20.200-06:00Comments on Economics Job Market Rumors: General Job Market QuestionsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger91125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-92215855962991767922007-02-10T11:14:00.000-06:002007-02-10T11:14:00.000-06:00This discussion has moved to the new message board...This discussion has moved to the new message board.<BR/><BR/>It is a better system and you can still post anonymously.<BR/><BR/>This link will take you to the correct thread:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://econjobrumors.proboards105.com/index.cgi?board=jobrumorpost&action=display&thread=1171121866" REL="nofollow">ECON JOB RUMOR BOARD</A>Tatonnementhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11208200326364496538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-77630405385855499662007-02-10T08:49:00.000-06:002007-02-10T08:49:00.000-06:00Another alternative is to send a note to the chair...Another alternative is to send a note to the chair/search committee, and ask them to please pass on your regards to the dept.<BR/><BR/>Our search committee generally forwards the notes to the rest of the dept.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-18058706282544483092007-02-09T18:59:00.000-06:002007-02-09T18:59:00.000-06:00Sending the same thank you email to everyone in th...Sending the same thank you email to everyone in the faculty/group is also OK.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-9849357837802058242007-02-09T13:10:00.000-06:002007-02-09T13:10:00.000-06:00I just started a wiki page to compile detailed off...I just started a wiki page to compile detailed offer and compensation information: <A HREF="http://www.bluwiki.com/go/Econjobmarket_offers" REL="nofollow">http://www.bluwiki.com/go/Econjobmarket_offers</A><BR/><BR/>If there are columns to add or subtract, feel free to edit it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-12977732268380377582007-02-09T08:26:00.000-06:002007-02-09T08:26:00.000-06:007:16: Depends on how big the department is. If it'...7:16: Depends on how big the department is. If it's a small department, it might not be a bad idea to send thank you notes to everyone. If it's a large department, send thank you notes to the search committee chair and any other faculty members you met who will have a say in the selection process.<BR/><BR/>One more thing - don't send the same thank you notes to everyone. Hope this helps.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-54601793981239839922007-02-09T07:16:00.000-06:002007-02-09T07:16:00.000-06:00After a fly out, should I send thank you emails to...After a fly out, should I send thank you emails to just the dept/search chair, or to everyone I met with?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-65225645402485627722007-02-07T08:23:00.000-06:002007-02-07T08:23:00.000-06:00Lets move all this talk about suggestions for the ...Lets move all this talk about suggestions for the blog to the "Announcements and Suggestion Box"<br /><br />You will find my reply there.Tatonnementhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11208200326364496538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-50016960812784302552007-02-07T05:42:00.000-06:002007-02-07T05:42:00.000-06:0010:31 - I agree. In my experience, the price elas...10:31 - I agree. In my experience, the price elasticity of participation on blogs/forums/whatever is greater than 1. Even when all I have to do is register somewhere - which takes maybe 1 or 2 minutes - I won't do it and won't go to the blog. I think this system with blogger is pretty easy - all anonymous posts, with enough categories for numerous distinct conversations to occur. Between it and the wiki, it worked great. I appreciate what was said about having to sort through so many conversations each time, but in practice it's not too bad. I just open new tabs for approximately 5 entries, pagedown to the bottom and read the last few. Since I read this 2-3 times a day, I stay up-to-date.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-27762685510706254652007-02-06T22:31:00.000-06:002007-02-06T22:31:00.000-06:00Most of the things you guys are talking about like...Most of the things you guys are talking about like having new comments only shown etc would require a registration system. That increased cost would cut the number of posters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-42280953704068212212007-02-06T21:43:00.000-06:002007-02-06T21:43:00.000-06:00I second the previous comment (5:38 PM). It seems...I second the previous comment (5:38 PM). It seems like there are multiple "conversations" taking place at once in each section. A message board where you can start new threads would be nice. There are "Google Groups" and "Yahoo! Groups" which provide free message boards. The only problem is that you have to register for an account, and I believe your username is always associated with your posts. Anybody know of any a message board service with anonymous posting?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-85919329225129735042007-02-06T17:38:00.000-06:002007-02-06T17:38:00.000-06:00the "blog" comments format makes this website a bi...the "blog" comments format makes this website a bit cumbersome to use. for example, you can't tell whether a thread has any new posts (unless you memorized the latest number of posts) except by clicking on it and scrolling to the bottom. instead, it would be better if *somebody* with skillz (not I) started a web forum / message board where people could post anonymously, create their own threads, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-57736198611222270032007-02-05T15:52:00.000-06:002007-02-05T15:52:00.000-06:00The blog will be here next year and all of this ye...The blog will be here next year and all of this years conversations will be archived here.<br /><br />I doubt getting the word out will be as difficult next year. I hope this thing becomes as institutionalized as it is in other fields. <br /><br />What is really needed to make this work is a readership beyond the current crop of students. The more junior professors and grad students that read/post the more info there will be out there. More info begets more info as people feel they are not revealing who they are by posting.Tatonnementhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11208200326364496538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-87160112135643023352007-02-05T11:39:00.000-06:002007-02-05T11:39:00.000-06:0011:27 - Exactly. If you come here because of self...11:27 - Exactly. If you come here because of self-interest, then this is more than likely tit-for-tat. If you come out of altruism (which, actually, is why I come here - I intend to update the wiki as long as I have new information, regardless from where I get it) or to show off, then the wiki remains more accurate.<br /><br />Which goes back to something that was happening earlier where contributors were shaming people for showing off. If you shame people for showing off (ie, posting their information), you screw the whole thing up. The more people are not playing a strategic game with this thing, the better off everyone is. <br /><br />So encourage people to show off. Note for next year's blog. Remind everyone that this thing is a public good with these kind of unique characteristics, and reward the appearance of all information, regardless of the person's motivation. At the last stages of the job match, where the wiki's value is nil for informed parties, altruism and status signaling are going to be the only motivations that will help keep the wiki utilized. <br /><br />Very cool. I feel like I understand this thing a little better now.<br /><br />Also, because I do feel a little altruistic, tantanemount should start thinking about a way to seamlessly hand this thing out to next year's graduating class. I personally found it welfare-maximizing. For instance, when I saw the two schools I signaled had already made invitations, I no longer had to suffer in ignorance thinking they might be about to call me. That actually allowed me to get them out of my head. But this was kind of costly for tantanemount to do - especially the emailing everyone from the NBER job candidate page. I also created the wiki, which I think was also really valuable to everyone. The wiki should take care of itself, but somehow the information about this year's blog should be passed to the next year's cohort so that it can be set up quickly and efficiently.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-25299788185115966112007-02-05T11:29:00.000-06:002007-02-05T11:29:00.000-06:00This is 11:21 again. Just looking over the wiki's...This is 11:21 again. Just looking over the wiki's second to last column makes me think my reasoning is right. I counted less than 10 "Yes" by "Offered extended". I seriously doubt that that is the case - especially since I actually put two of those "Yes" myself (one being an offer I have, another being an offer I'd heard when I called to take myself out of the running with someone else and learned about their verbal offer). <br /><br />Here's a question. The wiki is a public good. So we expect people to under-report. But maybe it's a tit-for-tat game up until invitations are made, because up until invitations are made, we are all needing information, and so feel obliged to report information. But as the field narrows, we are able to make more accurate predictions about where each of us individually will end up. As our own personal uncertainty narrows, the value of the wiki itself decreases. And as it decreases, those with more certainty visit the wiki less often. So, it causes selection out of the wiki community - those people with the most information (people we want to update the wiki, mind you) end up using it less, leaving only those people with the least information to view it. <br /><br />So what you're observing is the last stage of a tit-for-tat game where everyone defects and quits contributing to the public good. QEDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-67588571069623400912007-02-05T11:27:00.000-06:002007-02-05T11:27:00.000-06:00Good points.
Also, once one has an offer in hand,...Good points.<br /><br />Also, once one has an offer in hand, I suppose the incentive to even come here at all diminishes to zero.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-37113761907668761162007-02-05T11:21:00.000-06:002007-02-05T11:21:00.000-06:0010:30 - I suspect for better schools, the under-re...10:30 - I suspect for better schools, the under-reporting is more severe only because I suspect the best students are not pouring over the wiki the way that I had been. They were involved in a market that wasn't nearly as open-ended as the one I have been on - where I did not receive any solicitations ex ante and so sent almost 100 applications out. So for those higher quality schools, I would suspect fewer people are reporting to the wiki. For instance, Stony Brook apparently made their invitiations a long time ago, and yet no one ever updated the wiki this entire time. <br /><br />Also, one more thing. I think the wiki was utilized more leading up to the AEA/ASSA meetings, and has been much less utilized after flyouts were extended. Which makes sense - the number of flyout invitations is very small (as few as 3 in several cases). So the thinner the network, the more under-reporting is likely. But since at the AEA/ASSA, chances were that schools were interviewing 2 or 3 dozen people, much better chance of learning if your school had made any invitation offers at the AEA. <br /><br />So my conclusion is that the wiki has more measurement error the further along in the job search we all are. It seems to have been amazingly accurate up to the AEA, I thought. And has been more hit or miss subsequently.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-40254345657064143462007-02-05T10:30:00.000-06:002007-02-05T10:30:00.000-06:00What's the level of under-reporting on the wiki? 5...What's the level of under-reporting on the wiki? 50%?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-2504453283135385492007-02-03T18:12:00.000-06:002007-02-03T18:12:00.000-06:00There is now a section for discussing salary, comp...There is now a section for discussing salary, compensation and negotiation. Let's move all that talk there.Tatonnementhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11208200326364496538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-48174308313740659302007-02-03T08:05:00.000-06:002007-02-03T08:05:00.000-06:007:25am - Ah, got it. In my package, they laid out...7:25am - Ah, got it. In my package, they laid out an allocation of graduate student hours (10+/week), plus "we'll buy you whatever computer you need, plus software and documentation," and they gave me a travel assurance of 2-4 conferences paid for a year. Do you want them to spell this out in more detail, though? Just curious. Also, if one gets a second offer from a school that is similar (so no real difference in the 10-month salary, let's say), what are the dimensions of negotiation that should be pursued and which ones should not be pursued? I've been told that the 10-mo base salary is fairly fixed, whereas other things are more negotiable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-24863432501838739762007-02-03T07:25:00.000-06:002007-02-03T07:25:00.000-06:0011:22 PM - No, research money is not the same as ...11:22 PM - No, research money is not the same as summer support. Summer support is what you just described. Research money is a fund for buying data, computer, hiring RAs and so on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-81454840190835428822007-02-02T23:22:00.000-06:002007-02-02T23:22:00.000-06:001:04 - is "research money" the same as summer supp...1:04 - is "research money" the same as summer support? If so, I got 20% of my 10-month base salary for two years guaranteed, plus a third conditional on passing pre-tenure review.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-86949203350831502622007-02-02T06:36:00.000-06:002007-02-02T06:36:00.000-06:00Top SLACs are paying around 80.
Only one of those...Top SLACs are paying around 80.<br /><br />Only one of those offers summer support (for, say, two years).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-53903980904488646572007-02-02T01:04:00.000-06:002007-02-02T01:04:00.000-06:00Any idea on what's the typical "research money" pa...Any idea on what's the typical "research money" part of the compensation package?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-30323946093589450402007-02-02T00:05:00.000-06:002007-02-02T00:05:00.000-06:00I actually wonder who took the 28k job. Post-docs ...I actually wonder who took the 28k job. Post-docs pay better than that and you can concentrate on research.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-263971925492584533.post-77003108981828467262007-02-01T20:23:00.000-06:002007-02-01T20:23:00.000-06:00Most Liberal Arts Schools (except maybe a few of t...Most Liberal Arts Schools (except maybe a few of the very top ones) offer salaries in the 50s -- at least thats what I've heard. Incidentally, if you look at Cawley, for BA and MA granting institutions, the average is 60 with a sd of 10, but the range starts from 28.8k. Who would pay that for a PhD in economics I wonder?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com