those wharton job talks seem to be by assistant professors and post-docs, not job market doctoral students,... at least when i googled some of the names, that's what i found
well i was surprised that assistant professors would be giving seminars titled "job talk," since usually the title "job talk" is reserved for students on the job market.
The wiki distribution of flyouts appears to be a little distorted. For example, a close friend of mine at a top 5 school has a number of flyouts to top departments; his name is only occasionally mentioned on the wiki (for departments that have published their entire recruitment schedule). He has asked me not to gossip about him, so I haven't posted his flyouts. This suggests to me that the wiki is creating buzz, not necessarily for those who have a lot of flyouts, but for those are are a little, um, active in self-promotion. Just a thought.
I disagree: names are good. The best markets operate under perfect information... and it's interesting to see where our colleagues are going. Ideally everyone should put all of the fly-outs on the Wiki, name and date, e.g. (John Doe 2/29).
as economists we know that what's best for efficiency might not be best for the individual; hence the reluctance of some to keep their name outside the wiki; private info is often of great value ; I am surprised some economists on this board fail to see this
As many employers are probably looking at the Wiki, I think it might be a good signalling strategy if you have a good flyout to put it on the Wiki. Every employer has a noisy signal, so employers want to use information from others' signals.
Of course, as a candidate can choose which flyouts to reveal, which makes the game more interesting. My guess it may not be optimal to not put your name anywhere; might it be optimal to put your name for everywhere you have a flyout?
I've posted it in the applied micro because they have been discussing names as well, but realized it belongs to this thread:
Re: names in wiki I understand why people are not very excited about their names being posted; I would/am not be/* excited as well. There are, however, good reasons for having names instead of just yes. First, some schools do not call everyone at the same time. So, if you know there are only, say, three fly-outs to that school, you know there is still a chance. If there are six for one open position, well, it's over. The second does not really give you much useful information, but: if one has had less interviews then one has expected, less flyouts then one has expected one is starting to think: "What is damn wrong with my paper?" and, well, gets in a gloomy mood. If one sees (and I know someone who does) that the market is not particularly friendly to her/his field this year and that one (exaggerating, of course) has to have few AER publications to get decent flyouts, well, it does not change an outcome of the job market, but would not trash this person that much... Of course, there is no need to have names for that, only number and fields, but who would be doing this?
The real problem is that while there is a lot of benefit from finding others' names on the wiki, there is no benefit from revealing one's private information about oneself. Other than, of course, the pride factor, or a hope that faculty is reading it, and those that are yet undecided will use the wiki info. I am not sure that it works that way, though.
I propose a new special topic: "Salary Rumors" or "Compensation package rumors". I know it's a topic some won't like to talk about but it might worth the shot.
I know there's a nice table in Cawley's paper but it may be interesting to see if the market is paying according to the expectations.
Also you can share successful negotiations strategies, etc. What do you think?
49 comments:
Melbourne e-mailed their flyouts for all positions on Sunday (January 7).
Does that apply to their research fellow positions too?
Yes.
Did any one hear/have interview with Bocconi University?
any fly-outs from Iowa?
Fly Outs from Princeton!
http://econ.princeton.edu/seminars/Jr%20Recruiting%20Schedule.html
Recruitment seminar for LBS strategy (look st the bottom of the page):
http://www.london.edu/strategicandinternationalmanagement/seminars.html
job talks at wharton
http://www-management.wharton.upenn.edu/Calendar.htm
those wharton job talks seem to be by assistant professors and post-docs, not job market doctoral students,... at least when i googled some of the names, that's what i found
10:05 AM - some of them are job market doctoral students, some are assistant professors, some post-docs...why is this strange/problematic?
well i was surprised that assistant professors would be giving seminars titled "job talk," since usually the title "job talk" is reserved for students on the job market.
by the way, i just noticed the times in this post are in CST: does that mean the creator is in the CST?
I see, it's actually not strange: a post-doc or even an assistant professor might be applying for an opening just like a fresh PhD
Heard from UT El Paso?
8:33pm - the wiki says that someone has, but I can't confirm it.
Does anyone get flyout from U of
Guelgh?
Anyone heard back from UT-Austin?
to 11:58pm: no from Guelph
I have not heard from UT Austin. Then again, I didn't interview with them either.
UT Austin yes, today in the morning.
Anyone heard from Bocconi (Italy)?
to 4:58pm
which field are you in?
To 4:27
do you also interview U of Guelph?
yes
To 8:36
Thanks , so do you know if they
have already made a call for the flyout or not?
Does someone confirm UT EL Paso has already made the calls?
although Wiki shows one there
to 9:22
No, I didn't know other people interviewing with them. In my case, not yet.
The wiki distribution of flyouts appears to be a little distorted. For example, a close friend of mine at a top 5 school has a number of flyouts to top departments; his name is only occasionally mentioned on the wiki (for departments that have published their entire recruitment schedule). He has asked me not to gossip about him, so I haven't posted his flyouts. This suggests to me that the wiki is creating buzz, not necessarily for those who have a lot of flyouts, but for those are are a little, um, active in self-promotion. Just a thought.
To 6:05 pm
Some already started removing names from Wiki. Is that what you wanted? The more bitter comments here, the less information around.
I don't see the point of having the names. A simple Yes suffices. I had my name listed by someone else and did not like it at all.
I disagree: names are good. The best markets operate under perfect information... and it's interesting to see where our colleagues are going. Ideally everyone should put all of the fly-outs on the Wiki, name and date, e.g. (John Doe 2/29).
as economists we know that what's best for efficiency might not be best for the individual; hence the reluctance of some to keep their name outside the wiki; private info is often of great value ; I am surprised some economists on this board fail to see this
in the previous message, "keep their name outside the wiki" should be "put their name on the wiki" - sorry
As many employers are probably looking at the Wiki, I think it might be a good signalling strategy if you have a good flyout to put it on the Wiki. Every employer has a noisy signal, so employers want to use information from others' signals.
Of course, as a candidate can choose which flyouts to reveal, which makes the game more interesting. My guess it may not be optimal to not put your name anywhere; might it be optimal to put your name for everywhere you have a flyout?
I've posted it in the applied micro because they have been discussing names as well, but realized it belongs to this thread:
Re: names in wiki
I understand why people are not very excited about their names being posted; I
would/am not be/* excited as well. There are, however, good reasons for having names instead of just yes.
First, some schools do not call everyone at the same time. So, if you know there are only, say, three fly-outs to that school, you know there is still a chance. If there are six for one open position, well, it's over.
The second does not really give you much useful information, but: if one has had less interviews then one has expected, less flyouts then one has expected one is starting to think: "What is damn wrong with my paper?" and, well, gets in a gloomy mood. If one sees (and I know someone who does) that the market is not particularly friendly to her/his field this year and that one (exaggerating, of course) has to have few AER publications to get decent flyouts, well, it does not change an outcome of the job market, but would not trash this person that much...
Of course, there is no need to have names for that, only number and fields, but who would be doing this?
The real problem is that while there is a lot of benefit from finding others' names on the wiki, there is no benefit from revealing one's private information about oneself. Other than, of course, the pride factor, or a hope that faculty is reading it, and those that are yet undecided will use the wiki info. I am not sure that it works that way, though.
To " January 12, 2007 12:20 AM"
Yes, I can confirm that UTEP made calls.
anyone heard from Simon Fraser?
yes to Simon Fraser
I propose a new special topic: "Salary Rumors" or "Compensation package rumors". I know it's a topic some won't like to talk about but it might worth the shot.
I know there's a nice table in Cawley's paper but it may be interesting to see if the market is paying according to the expectations.
Also you can share successful negotiations strategies, etc. What do you think?
I agree with 2:24. would be nice to have such a section
anyone heard from Aarhus, Denmark?
Did anyone else interview with Auckland? Are they scheduling flyouts?
Aarhus called their fly-out about 2 weeks ago.
Anyone hear from Georgetown (Strategy)?
I flew out to Georgetown strategy
Georgetown Strategy is my dream job. Too bad I didn't even get an interview!
Good luck 8:12.
I just started a wiki page to compile detailed offer and compensation information: http://www.bluwiki.com/go/Econjobmarket_offers
If there are columns to add or subtract, feel free to edit it.
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