Thursday, January 4, 2007

Applied Micro Job Rumors

151 comments:

Anonymous said...

Offers for chicago gsb made to emily oster and jesse shapiro. this offer has been confirmed.

Darrin said...
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Anonymous said...

confirmed, as in the information is correct.

Anonymous said...

This can't be true: they both are at Chicago GSB now (as fellows)

Anonymous said...

What were you expecting?

Anonymous said...

sounds like inside baseball

Anonymous said...

Well, none of them are Chicago graduates, so what's wrong with it? They clearly deserve the offers. But the presence of people who have taken up fellowships previously and published well makes the current market especially tough.

Anonymous said...

Why can't it be true? That they are both at GSB now makes it more likely, not lesss, that the offer would be made so soon. Regardless, it is true. Like I said, I have confirmation.

Anonymous said...

Baylor has extended a campus visit to Scott Cunningham.

Anonymous said...

It is definitely true. Why would the GSB not try to keep such a productive couple of economists?

Anonymous said...

7:04, I am assuming you are Cunningham (or his friend). But if not and you are someone in the know at Baylor, have all invites been extended, or is he just their top choice.

Anonymous said...

Heard through the grapevine that IUPUI cannot hire a non-US citizen because the position is a joint appointment with the VA Center. That cut their applicants in half. I also learned they interviewed 24 people. So, if you're a US citizen, and interviewed with them, you're chances of getting a flyout just shot up to probably as good as 50/50 if they are indeed flying out 6 people.

Anonymous said...

9:54 - what I have heard indicates Cunningham is just one of the people who has received an invitation. I don't know if they've contacted everyone.

Anonymous said...

re iupui: i may be missing something, but wouldn't 6/24 make your chances 25/75? :D

Anonymous said...

3:57: 6/24 is a 1/4 chance. But I said that of the 24 they interviewed, more than half are not eligible because of the VA policy. So if they fly out 6 out of the 12, it's a coin flip.

Anonymous said...

You would think IUPUI would have thought about that before arranging interviews.

Anonymous said...

IUPUI is a joint appointment with the VA Center, which apparently has different employment standards (maybe because it is affiliated with the government?). There was some lack of communication, apparently.

Anonymous said...

Come on people!

Where are the rumors. So far the Wiki had some kid from a 3rd rate school as this year's hot property (with a grand total of two invitations). I know there is WAY more info out there.

You 3rd and 4th year students start spilling what you know and spread some of good job market karma.

As for me I am off campus and have no info about my department (25-50). I have zero fly-outs so far.

I am losing my MIND HERE...NEED INFO!!

Anonymous said...

I've been contacted for four flyouts so far...

Anonymous said...

6:15 - do you mind mentioning them on the wiki? At least can you mention "yes" in the column indicating flyouts have been sent?

Anonymous said...

Three fly-outs so far, but it's only Tuesday... I found out about my first one late Monday night. I am biting my nails waiting for more.

How long should it take for the first round or so? Until the end of the week? Are many of the schools waiting for the market to settle a litte?

I could also start naming my places (they're not bad) if others do.

Anonymous said...

TO: January 9, 2007 4:46 PM

This person must be from a "1st rate" school.

You people from top schools please stop boasting about your pedigree.We KNOW many of you are just waiting for a huge fall!!!

Please stop this nonsensical behavior!!Be respectful about people from 3rd rate schools.

This year on this rumor page, many commenthave been like this in nature.

Anonymous said...

EEK! Calm down. I don't know if 3 (only 2 are academic) is good or bad at this point yet. You're mistaking nervousness for boasting, but I could see how we're all a bit hyper-sensitive at this early stage.

Tatonnement said...

Lets be calm here people.

Trashing other people, other schools or other "tiers" is the #1 way to kill this thing. Be nice and people will be more likely to talk. Also once they feel like they are not the only person who could post about their fly out the more they may talk.

Also a good source for finding out about flyouts is the seminar/workshop pages of the departments.

Anonymous said...

early flyouts are good news as they signal a strong interest from the demand side

3 early flyouts are GREAT news

Anonymous said...

10:59 - can you explain when a flyout stops being an "early flyout" and when it starts being normal, and then late? Is Monday of next week an early flyout, for instance? I spoke with one school who told me they won't meet until Friday to decide at all, and I've gotten similar impressions from other schools based on their follow-ups to my emails. Still, I figure there is probably a good rule of thumb.

Anonymous said...

11:03, the timing of the flyouts mostly reflects how long the internal approval process takes. If they fly you out, they mean it - the money outlay is not the main investment they make; it's the time spent with the candidates. A fly out is definitely costly to the department and always says that they're very interested.

Anonymous said...

I agree. A flyout is a flyout, and you should not be overly concerned about your order.

But... even before the committee has met to decide ranking, they may already contact their number one. For instance, the committee may all agree on number one, and then get together on "Friday" to determine the rest.

Anonymous said...

Re: Flyout Timing

Some respectable lower tier schools wish to avoid the transactions costs of a flyout that will just result in a losing bidding war with a higher-ranked and deeper-pocketed institution. They may purposely wait to see if their preferred candidates are likely to place higher before scheduling any flyouts. Because some of these good candidates will lose a bidding war at a top institution, and therefore come into play again, some flyouts invitations even into February will still be to good candidates. This is why it is so important to keep your 'acceptable' institutions up to date about your search.

Anonymous said...

The questions about flyout timing are of general interest. Let's keep that kind of discussion on the "general" discussion thread. This thread should focus on specifice applied micro jobs and issues.

Anonymous said...

Anyone hear back from Georgetown McDonough? Btw, for those that interviewed with them, did you have the strange experience of the interview being more about them than yourself?

Anonymous said...

Did not hear from McDonough yet, had an interviw which also went pretty strange in comparison with others... didn't even ask about the jmp until like the middle of the interview

Anonymous said...

anyone hear from Sloan Applied Econ?

Anonymous said...

Imagine the number of calls I would've received by now if I had been getting this kind of press coverage.

Anonymous said...

ha... from 2.00P's article

"..So before this year’s conference, I did an informal poll of about 20 senior economists around the country and asked a single question: who are the young (untenured) economists doing work that is both highly respected among experts and relevant to the rest of us? Who, in other words, is the future of economics? ..Thirteen names came up more than once.."

"..In fact, the least diverse aspect of the list of 13 — the full roster appears above — may be the way that its members have chosen their mates. Six of them are married to another person in the group.."

Anonymous said...

well, having Ray Fair as father definitely helps. This just confirms the studies on the intergenerational transfer of human capital.

Anonymous said...

Hi guys, saw on wiki that Oklahoma has called. Any idea if it's the Empirical IO position?

Anonymous said...

It says on the Wiki that Arizona State has called - is that for the AF or for the environmental econ position?

Anonymous said...

For florida state flyout, what field is it? Thanks a lot!!!

Anonymous said...

I know Florida State is calling for applied micro in general.

Anonymous said...

Arizona state is for all fields.

Anonymous said...

To January 10, 2007 2:00 PM ...

If there was a person on the job market who didn't even need press coverage that was probably her... so socially inefficient to write an article about her in nyt...

AND she is cute... life is not fair :)

Anonymous said...

This just confirms the studies on the intergenerational transfer of human capital.
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Yeah thats what it is. Or more of the same old Econ caste system.

Anonymous said...

to 7:23pm
That's what I meant. Did not want to sound too bitter, first time.

Anonymous said...

actually, the "caste" system is bad when the son/daughter keeps a position of power even though he/she is dumb (or dumber than his/her parents) - clearly NOT the case of emily oster

Anonymous said...

11:11 - ditto. Oster's brilliant. A single-authored QJE and a single-authored JPE before graduating from graduate school (which she did in three years time)? Sick.

Anonymous said...

Although that kind of publication record requires both brains *and* friendly insiders (esp. for the QJE club). Brains alone wouldn't do the trick in many cases.

Also, she's probably a very hard worker.

Anonymous said...

Rochester Simon anyone?

Anonymous said...

Swarthmore anyone?

Anonymous said...

UNC Chapel Hill?

Anonymous said...

I saw on the wiki page that South Carolina has given flybacks for the IO spot. Anyone know if they've made decisions about the enviro position?

Anonymous said...

Heard from Simon 2 days ago.

Anonymous said...

12:25--no info on enviro.

Anonymous said...

GaTech Strategy position?

Anonymous said...

I heard from someone who's used the data that Oster's JPE on the "Missing Women" of China is actually wrong: it's not Hep-B, but just good old sex-selective abortion (impropoerly controlled for) that accounts for the missing women. Watch for the article that overturns her work.

That said. Emily is probably still quite talented, it's just all the hype that gets to me. But stories like that sell and it's not like Emily asked for it... although it would be nice if all of us could get a job so easily.

Anonymous said...

See http://home.uchicago.edu/~eoster/dasgupta.pdf

Anonymous said...

Emily does not come here for sure.only desperate people read this blog ten times per day.

Anonymous said...

Emily does not come here for sure.only desperate people read this blog ten times per day.
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pot, kettle my friend. pot, kettle

Anonymous said...

Seriously folks, can we stop talking about Emily Oster? I get all excited when I see that the number of posts has gone up. "Maybe someone is posting about the school with which I interviewed." I say to myself. "How exciting and terrifying." Then I get to the page and it's 20 more postings about Emily Oster.

Maybe we should start a new page about Emily so you all have somewhere to go. Maybe we should start an entire economics tabloid so we can dish on everyone.

Did you hear what Steve Levitt wore to dinner at Heckman's?

Scandalous!!

Yours,

Bitter and anxious.

Anonymous said...

to 11:43pm
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Brilliant comment and what a great idea!
I think there is certainly demand for the econ tabloid. I would subscribe.

Anonymous said...

Spousal murder, faculty adultery with graduate students, sex change operations... we have it all in economics.

Anonymous said...

anyone heard from Middlebury?

Anonymous said...

Arkansas at Little Rock will officially invited people next week. Adjust your expectations accordingly if you were interested in them, and know they will be making invitations soon, but not today.

Anonymous said...

has minnesota econ called?

Anonymous said...

Oberlin?

Anonymous said...

Congratulations to Amit Seru for having 11 flyouts already.

Note to self: Journal of Finance publication is valued on the market. Seriously, that's fantastic man.

Anonymous said...

anyone heard from Western Ontario?

Anonymous said...

Western Ontario,yes

Anonymous said...

The wiki distribution of flyouts appears to be a little distorted. For example, a close friend of mine at a top 5 school has a number of flyouts to top departments; his name is only occasionally mentioned on the wiki (for departments that have published their entire recruitment schedule). He has asked me not to gossip about him, so I haven't posted his flyouts. This suggests to me that the wiki is creating buzz, not necessarily for those who have a lot of flyouts, but for those are a little, um, active in self-promotion. (I should mention specifically that I don't think this applies to someone like Emily, who is obviously a top candidate.) Just a thought.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps it is not so much self-promotion as it is a tricky signalling game. After all, not everyone gets written about in the New York Times.

Question: what is the optimal signalling strategy?

Anonymous said...

Using the wiki to signal is probably a waste of time. If it puts information out for the rest of us, it can be useful. That's probably why it's at least a good idea to have "Yes" by a school if you know someone has an interview. This way, the rest of us at least know we are not top three at that school if we haven't received an invitation ourselvers. Until schedules are posted, I suspect that is actually the best use of the wiki - just to keep the rest of us informed about what is going on. I could care less about who is interviewing where.

Anonymous said...

anyone heard from mit/sloan?

Anonymous said...

anyone heard from georgetown economics?

Anonymous said...

According to the Wiki Swarthmore has made calls. Anyone have more information on that, e.g. who, how many, etc?
Cheers.

Anonymous said...

mit sloan/econ made calls

Anonymous said...

Re: names in wiki
I understand why people are not very excited about their names being posted; I
would/am not be/* excited as well. There are, however, good reasons for having names instead of just yes.
First, some schools do not call everyone at the same time. So, if you know there are only, say, three fly-outs to that school, you know there is still a chance. If there are six for one open position, well, it's over.
The second does not really give you much useful information, but: if one has had less interviews then one has expected, less flyouts then one has expected one is starting to think: "What is damn wrong with my paper?" and, well, gets in a gloomy mood. If one sees (and I know someone who does) that the market is not particularly friendly to her/his field this year and that one (exaggerating, of course) has to have few AER publications to get decent flyouts, well, it does not change an outcome of the job market, but would not trash this person that much...
Of course, there is no need to have names for that, only number and fields, but who would be doing this?

Anonymous said...

Swarthmore has about 5 flyouts scheduled but may make more b/c they have authority for two junior hires.

Anonymous said...

Hot DAMN! Guess who is looking to make their triumphant return to academia?

None other than Mary Rosh herself is going on flyouts.

Question is what school would even think about such a thing?

I can't spill it all now, more soon!

This is why you read the rumor blogs!!

Anonymous said...

Oh gawd! "She" better ask for tenure upfront. Academia isn't the American Heritage Foundation, sista!

Anonymous said...

3:42- I had heard he accepted a visiting professor position at SUNY-Binghamton prior to the AEA/ASSA conference.

Anonymous said...

Any news on IUPUI (econ)? Or University of Montana?

Anonymous said...

I know someone who has a flyout with Montana in applied micro.

Anonymous said...

11:47 - University of Montana, right? Not Montana State. Just wanting to make sure.

Anonymous said...

Montana State is not hiring at the junior position this year, are they?

Anonymous said...

1:09 - Yes, U of Montana.

Anonymous said...

2:13 - when did your friend get a call?

Anonymous said...

Just a reminder - if you know of any schools that have made flyouts, and that information is not reflected on the wikipage, please update the wikipage. Just take a moment to update that information. You can even do so anonymously by first clicking on the Anonymouse link on the wikipage.

Anonymous said...

So where is young Mary Rosh interviewing this year?

My sources say at least one of the flyouts looks to be the Baylor Baptist Business School.

Looks like he found a department full of True Believers to give him a shot.

Anonymous said...

2:25 - Baylor is hiring a senior person, though I don't think Lott has any religious affiliation that would make him eliglible for that job. I'd heard SUNY-Binghamton for a visiting professor position, though. But I'd also heard that was a done deal, so maybe that's not the case. He is unemployed at this point, as AEI fired him.

Anonymous said...

2:25 - haven' you seen rocky 6? everyone deserves a second chance.

Anonymous said...

Any news on UNLV?

Anonymous said...

Lott's coming in early April, and it is the Hankamer School of Business.

Anonymous said...

6:01 - This is confirmed, or is it a flyout? Is tenure-track of visiting?

Anonymous said...

The info is all on the web site. I am certainly not going to say anything more on some blog:

http://www.baylor.edu/business/economics/index.php?id=23237

http://www.baylor.edu/business/economics/index.php?id=33290

Anonymous said...

9:55 - it looks like at this point it's just a flyout (if it's for the econ position).

Anonymous said...

Careful people... wouldn't want to get sued.

Anonymous said...

I see that someone has updated the wiki with news that University of Texas at Arlington has extended invitations. UTA was hiring for two positions - an econometrics position and an applied microeconomics position. Does anyone know if the AM position has invitations yet?

Anonymous said...

January 16, 2007 3:30 PM:

My friend got a call about the AM position, not metrics.

Anonymous said...

Arkansas at Little Rock has begun extending invitations. fyi.

Anonymous said...

Any word from Boise State?

Anonymous said...

Have people heard from IUPUI economics? I saw a "Yes" by it on the wikiboard.

Anonymous said...

Out of curiousity - why does the most recent edits on the wiki-board say January 18th? Where I live (the United States, southeast), it's Wednesday the 17th still.

Anonymous said...

I saw on the wiki page that Oberlin has announced flybacks. Are those for both the micro and enviro job?

Anonymous said...

IUPUI econ is for two positions - econometrics and a joint appointment with the VA. Does anyone know which position the call has been made for?

Anonymous said...

anyone have information on louisville and both the AM and IO positions? What about STony Brook?

Anonymous said...

Did anyone here from Georgia Tech (econ)?

Anonymous said...

anybody heard from UNC Chapel Hill???

Anonymous said...

9:03 AM - when you say "anyone here from Georgia Tech" you are asking if anyone here is from Georgia Tech of ir anyone has heard from them?

Anonymous said...

Has anyone heard from the University of Houston?

Anonymous said...

"when you say "anyone here from Georgia Tech" you are asking if anyone here is from Georgia Tech of ir anyone has heard from them?"

Sorry, misspelling. The question was: Anyone heard from GaTech?

Anonymous said...

Louisville has made at least some calls for AM.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone heard from the University of Maryland, Baltimore County? University of South Florida? Southern Methodist University?

Anonymous said...

any news on babson?

Anonymous said...

3:39 - WHAT ABOUT THE IO POSITION?

Anonymous said...

SMU has invited candidates.

Anonymous said...

3:39 - Regarding UofL. There was a hire for an applied econometrics, with health secondary, and another hire (separate search committee) for a law & economics and Industrial Organization person. DO you know if the L&E/IO invitations has been extended?

Anonymous said...

I know at least 2 people who have received rejections from Babson (Wednesday and Thursday by mail). Not sure if they have extended invites or not.

Anonymous said...

Just got a call from Ball State. They're making calls now apparently. FYI.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone heard of Georgetown (Strategy) or Carleton University making fly out offers?

Anonymous said...

Anyone hear from Georgetown (Public Policy)?

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know what is the salary range in a place like Mathematica or MDRC?

Anonymous said...

Regarding U of L again, I believe the position in question is the applied micro and health position. no idea about the others.

Anonymous said...

1/21 11.45am: I think 2 years ago mathematica was offering around $90k. this is second hand info, so i might be off.

Anonymous said...

Carleton, Yes

Anonymous said...

January 22, 2007 2:34 AM: Is that "yes" to Carleton College or Carleton University?

Anonymous said...

Carleton U

Anonymous said...

Anyone hear anything from Sewanee (University of the South)?

Anonymous said...

Sewanee yes.

Anonymous said...

Anyone heard from University of Maryland, Baltimore County?

Anonymous said...

Anyone hear from Drew University of Kent State.

Anonymous said...

Both positions advertised for Drew University fit two visiting assistants there almost perfectly. I think that search was rigged. I doubt anyone will get a fly out there.

Anonymous said...

How about the University of Michigan - Ross School of Business? It appears from the wiki page that they did call for flyouts. Any info on who they invited?

Anonymous said...

11:39 PM - I mean for the position with the Business Economics group.

Anonymous said...

This may be a waste of my time, since if it's not been posted yet, no one must have the information. But the University of Louisville interviewed for two postions in Chicago - an econometrics/health position, and secondly, a law and economics postion. Does anyone know if the l&e position has flyouts? Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Anyone hear from Washington College, Ripon College, or Lawrence University.

Anonymous said...

I interviewed with Ripon and have not heard from them.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know whether the U Houston flyouts in the wiki table refer to the Applied Micro etc. ad? Or the second ad?

Anonymous said...

I guess I'm a bit of a pessimist, so I'm already thinking about the scramble. It's supposed to be anonymous, but do you think it'll be that way with this wiki? If anyone has access to the schools that are still open, you should post it for all to see; if anyone has the list of candidates still out there, it'd be great if someone made that public too.

Rey said...
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Anonymous said...

9:21, I believe it's for applied micro @ University of Houston.

Anonymous said...

January 31, 2007 10:21 AM: Rey, r u serious? "the token hispanic"?? don't take this personally, or racially.. the market, quite generally, does not discriminate based on racial grounds. that's based on what i have observed the past several years. sadly, i have no credible way of conveying this to you through this blog. hopefully there'll be a much better post on this issue.

Anonymous said...

Rey, I too think there's another explanation. If they're so negative about the job, it probably reflects people's experience in the department. You'd have to be quite desperate to want to be part of that.

Anonymous said...

Has USC Marshall made offers?

Anonymous said...

Does anyone hear from SUNY Stony Brook?

Anonymous said...

1:15 - yes to Stony Brook

Anonymous said...

Rey,

I would highly doubt that they were doing this intentionally. That would require a high degree of explicit collusion on their part. And, before seeing a candidate, there is unlikely to be a consensus within the department.

That said, at my institution there is extreme pressure for affirmative action candidates. In fact, it goes so far as to border on reverse discrimination. That means that sometimes we bring in candidates with a prior that they may be a reach. But, we only do so with the hope that they'll actually fit well. I have *never* seen a department fly someone out unless they think that there is some chance that the person will be a good fit.

Anonymous said...

9:45AM, when did you get the flyout from StonyBrook?

Thanks!

Anonymous said...

usc marshall did make offers last week

Anonymous said...

anyone gotten a flyout to the New School?

Anonymous said...

I just started a wiki page to compile detailed offer and compensation information: http://www.bluwiki.com/go/Econjobmarket_offers

If there are columns to add or subtract, feel free to edit it.

Tatonnement said...

This discussion has moved to the new message board.

It is a better system and you can still post anonymously.

This link will take you to the correct thread:

ECON JOB RUMOR BOARD